Potential Resource-Pages (from ASTRONOMY) to help people
who are asking "What does science say about the age of our world?"

This is a temporary page.  It's intended to be useful during the process ofselecting useful pages for the Origins Questionswebsite (*), but it will alsobe useful if you just want to learn about the topics. {* If you want to be part of the "process of selecting" by evaluating pages and providing feedback, readthe reviewer's page.}

Here are some VIEWING TIPS:
to improve your understanding, read pages in both columns, left (young earth) and right (old earth);
if you use a smaller font size,the two-column table will behave better in your browser;
italicized links areinside-the-page, non-italicized linksopen a new page in a new window;
AIG-linked is a non-AIG page linkedto by AIG, AIG-YE-claim is in AIG'spage for YoungAge Evidence;
words in [square brackets] are mypage-description (not their page-title) or my editorial comments;
titles in brown (on left side) werechosen by Ashby Camp for his links-page at TrueOrigins.org, and
titles in green & purple (on right side) are brief responsesfrom Neyman & Isaak,as explained here.

Topics with Red Titles(and pages in topic preceded by "•")are in the homepagefor AGE-SCIENCE.
Topics with Green Titles (and pageswith "•") are in ASTRONOMICALEVOLUTION - Age of Universe.

Within each section, pages are organized using multiplecriteria: SIZE (shorterpages are earlier) plus READABILITYand/or VISUAL APPEAL (better isearlier), QUALITY (based on myquick non-expert evaluations; better pages are earlier, but this is oftentrumped by other factors), SOURCE(for example, YE pages by ICR and AIG are usually early, sincethey're prominent YE organizations), and SUB-TOPIC or AUTHOR (by grouping these pages together).

more age-science: There are similar two-column pageslisting "potential resources" for Noah'sFlood and Geology and Radiometric Dating.

TOPIC-CATEGORIES in this page: distant starlight c-decay white hole cosmology apparent age   —   astronomy Big Bang red shift CMB dark matter   —   galaxy shapes supernova remnants star evolution black holes faint sun shrinking sun solar neutrinos   —   NASA & Joshua solar system origin extrasolar planets planet problems comets astronomical cycles planet magnetism space dust water on Mars earth rotation moon recession moon dust moon craters moon-misc   —   Big Bang & Theism The current links-page for astronomy — underdeveloped and needing expansion— is ASTRONOMY: AGE OF THE EARTH & UNIVERSE. Currently there are no AnswersInCreation responses for astronomy, but Greg Neyman is planning to write these later.
Support for a YOUNG EARTH & UNIVERSE	Support for an OLD EARTH & UNIVERSE
faraway starlight in a young universe — solutions? • AIG - How Can We See Distant Stars in a Young Universe? [overview] * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/405.asp	faraway starlight in a young universe — problem? • Newman - the problem http://ibri.org/DVD-1/Tracts/lttmetct.htm • Sharp - Distant Starlight Problem http://csharp.com/starlight.html Stoner - overview http://answers.org/newlook/NLCHPTR4.HTM#Top Ross - overview http://reasons.org/resources/apologetics/younguniverse.shtml Neyman - review of "The Answer Book" Ch 5, Distant Stars http://www.answersincreation.org/bookreview/answersbook/abc5.htm
On the right are two links-pages (each contains both YE and OE views) asking how — if the universe is young — we can see light from distant stars that requires billions of years to reach us. ("theology" is about Apparent Age)	THEOLOGY: http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/aa.htm#theology SCIENCE: http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/astroe.htm#aa
measuring astronomical distances	measuring astronomical distances • Lindsay - using geometry http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/supernova_distance.html • ABCs of Distance http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/distance.htm Ross - recent data http://reasons.org/resources/connections/2000v2n3/index.shtml#how_far • TO-faq - Feuerbacher http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/distance.html
decrease in speed of light (c-decay) — solution? • AIG - says this argument is "doubtful, hence, inadvisable to use." http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp#c_decay • Aardsma (writing for ICR in 1988) agrees - http://www.icr.org/article/283 • Sarfati - Have fundamental constants changed, and what would it prove? http://www.answersingenesis.org/news/fine_structure.asp Sarfati - What about the slowing and stopping of light? http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2001/0201light_stop.asp • Dolphin - overview & links http://www.ldolphin.org/constc.shtml • Bowden (1998) - Reports [within YE community] of the Death of Speed of Light Decay Are Premature * http://www.ldolphin.org/bowden/centj.html • Fryman & Setterfield, a simplified explanation * http://www.ldolphin.org/setterfield/simplified.html Setterfield, The Vacuum, Light Speed, and the Redshift * http://www.ldolphin.org/setterfield/redshift.html Setterfield – [response to TO-faq] http://www.trueorigin.org/ca_bs_02.asp	decrease in speed of light (c-decay) — critiques • The speed of light has changed. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE411.html • Physicists found that the speed of light was once faster. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE411_1.html • Physical constants are only assumed constant. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE410.html • Lindsay - http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/speed_of_light.html • Deem - http://godandscience.org/youngearth/speedlight.html • TO-faq (Day) - Decay of c-Decay - http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/c-decay.html TO (Matson) - [analysis of logical inconsistencies, re: claims for c-decay] http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/hovind/howgood-add.html#A6 • Ebert - historical http://www.magicdave.com/ron/Does%20the%20Speed%20of%20Light%20Slow%20Down%20Over%20Time.html pscf - Pennello - [statistical analysis] http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1993/PSCF6-93Pennello.html Henke - Photon Transmissions between Stars and in Sun's Interior http://www.answersincreation.org/photon.htm
TIME -- the young-universe cosmology of Humphreys — solution? • Tyler – review of Humphreys’ young-universe cosmology http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/267.asp Humphreys - Battle for the Cosmic Center http://www.icr.org/article/304/53/ • Humphreys, Starlight Wars: Starlight and Time Withstands Attacks * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2/4389starlight10-10-2000.asp • Humphreys, Seven Years of Starlight and Time * http://www.icr.org/article/446 Humphreys - responds to Ross http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/543.asp • Humphreys [links to pro-and-con pages] * http://www.trueorigin.org/ca_rh_03.asp Humphreys [1997] - New evidence for a rotating cosmos - [Part 1] http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/509.asp & [Part 2] http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/493.asp other possible young-universe solutions Hartnett - [overview & slow earth-clocks] * in HTML http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v17/i2/cosmology.asp and PDF http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/tj/docs/v17n2_cosmology.pdf	TIME -- the young-universe cosmology of Humphreys — critiques • Gravitational time dilation made distant clocks run faster. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE412.html Ross - overview http://reasons.org/resources/apologetics/trap.shtml • Conner & Ross - critique of YU-cosmology http://reasons.org/resources/apologetics/unraveling.shtml Ross-Humphreys exchanges http://reasons.org/resources/apologetics/humphreys_debate_statement.shtml Phillips - [response excluded - intentionally? - from "links to pro-and-con pages" at left] http://www.ibri.org/DVD-1/Papers/Timothy_Test/Timtest_Rejoinder.htm • Woodside - Cosmological Curiosity [blog - neutral?] http://woodside.blogs.com/cosmologycuriosity/2006/07/index.html the young-universe cosmology of Gentry - critiques Scranton - Debunking Robert Gentry's "New Redshift Interpretation" Cosmology http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/nri.html Pitts & Gentry Series: Robert Gentry has criticized Big Bang Cosmology (BBC) by claiming it violates energy conservation.  In a 3-article series — in PSCF (the journal of ASA), December 2004, pp 260-284 — J. Brian Pitts defends BBC and criticizes Gentry's young-universe alternative (Cosmic Center Model of the Universe) by explaining why BBC's cosmic expansion does satisfy energy conservation; then Gentry replies, and Pitts counter-responds. http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2005/PSCF6-05Pitts.pdf http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2005/PSCF6-05Gentry.pdf http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2005/PSCF6-05Pitts.pdf There is also a letter-response by Shane; I'll look for it later, but the 3 pages above have the main content.
apparent age (if old features look young) — solution? Morris - defense of "basic" apparent age http://www.icr.org/index/article/1088 YEs haven't written much about the tough aa-questions, such as detailed starlight from supernovas; in fact, AIG criticizes aa in their overview" above, How can we see..."	apparent age (if old features look young) — critiques The universe was created with apparent age. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH220.html pscf - Schier - Distant Stars & Apparent Age http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1994/PSCF6-94Schier.html West, Earle H. “Apparent Age” (55:4 [December 2003]: 222 31) - http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2004/PSCF6-04West.pdf    Nelson, Peter G. “Mature Creation” (55:4 [December 2003]: 222 31) - http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2004/PSCF6-04Nelson-old.pdf Neyman - Created Light? [re: AA] http://www.answersincreation.org/clight.htm Neyman - AA -- Did God Create with Appearance of Age? http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/icr/drjohn/drjohn_21.htm Don Lindsay - http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/apparent_age.html
principles of astronomy — (unconventional YE-science) • Sarfati – Astronomy http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/re1/chapter7.asp Lisle - The Heavens Declare Creation http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/am/v1/n1/taking-back-astronomy Lisle - Taking back astronomy http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2006/0711astronomy.asp Lisle – What does the Bible say about astronomy? http://www.answersingenesis.org/radio/pdf/astronomy.pdf • DeYoung - Astronomy & the Bible [FAQs, a few are age-relevant: moon origin, dinosaur extinction, star evolution, Big Bang, red shift] http://www.answersingenesis.org/Docs/399.asp current YE-astronomy • Faulkner, The Current State of Creationist Astronomy * http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=research&action=index&page=researchp_df_r01 Faulkner & DeYoung, Toward a Creationist Astronomy * http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/28/28_3/starevol.html	principles of astronomy — (is conventional science) These resources or something similar (if you know pages that are better) could be offered here for an introductory education, and then specific pages could be cited in topic areas; as usual, selectivity is the key to quality. • Roberts - http://lordibelieve.org/time/age7.PDF • NASA - Cosmology 101 http://map.gsfc.nasa.gov/m_uni.html Wright (TO links to it) http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/cosmolog.htm -- it will be useful for novices to have "tips for what to explore" because so much is available • The universe is 6,000-10,000 years old. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH200.html
Big Bang — challenges • Thompson, Harrub & May, The Big Bang: A Scientific Critique (Part 1) * http://www.apologeticspress.org/rr/rr2003/r&r0305a.htm • Thompson, Harrub & May, The Big Bang: A Scientific Critique (Part 2) * http://www.apologeticspress.org/rr/rr2003/r&r0306a.htm Hartnett-interview - Exploding the big bang! http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i4/bigbang.asp • Hartnett - Cosmologists Can’t Agree and Are Still In Doubt! http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v16/i3/cosmologists.asp Oard - [re: missing antimatter] http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v12/i3/antimatter.asp Warraker & McIntosh - A different view of the universe [review of Arp-books] http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v14/i3/universe.asp Gitt - astronomers attack Big Bang http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i3/big_bang.asp Ham [re: theory revision] & Humphreys [re: pre-bang] http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2/4325news6-14-2000.asp Ham - Were You There? http://www.icr.org/article/670/88/ H.Morris - The Big Bust http://www.icr.org/article/750/88/ The Stardust Trail http://www.icr.org/article/850/88/ Cosmology on Trial http://www.icr.org/article/872/193/ What Astronomers Don't Know http://www.icr.org/article/547/3/ All Spaced Out http://www.icr.org/article/852/3/ Cosmology's Holy Grail http://www.icr.org/article/785/3/ The Coming Big Bang http://www.icr.org/article/818/88/ Gentry -- his cosmology is in the "red shift" topic below, on the right side	Big Bang — conventional science • basic ideas of BB http://www.big-bang-theory.com/ • The big bang theory is wrong. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE420.html The cosmos has an axis, contrary to big bang models. [re: Humphreys] http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE421.html Explosions such as the big bang do not produce order or information. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE441.html Where did space, time, energy, and laws of physics come from? [TO's response is also relevant for creation claims made by OLD-universe theists; the bottom of this right-side column is a "Big Bang and the Bible" section with pages that will be used in another links-page -- we can link to it in this section -- although it might be useful if we link to one of them here, as a brief counter-response to TO] http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE440.html • Ross - Putting the Big Bang to the Test http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/big_bang_evidences.shtml • Deem - Rebuttal to "Ten Problems Against the Big Bang - http://godandscience.org/youngearth/bigbangrebuttal.html • Phillips [in pscf] - The Thrice-Supported Big Bang - http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2005/PSCF6-05Phillips.pdf • TO-faq - Evidence for the Big Bang - http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/astronomy/bigbang.html • Rusbult - entropy, disorder, and Big Bang [asks "why do things happen?"] http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/astro-thermo.htm • Neyman - Cosmologists Can't Agree? [re: Hartnett at left] http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/TJ/v16/TJ16_agree.htm Neyman - Secular Scientists Blast Big Bang [re: Wieland] [both pages are similar, second is a response to Wieland at left] http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/2004/big_bang_attack.htm • http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/2005/article_v27_i2_big_bang.htm • Berlinski, Was There a Big Bang? [re: what heppened before the beginning] * http://www.sidis.net/Commentary%20Magazine%20--%20February%201998.htm
red shift & Hubble Constant — problems? Young - How is Red Shift Explained? http://www.answersingenesis.org/Docs/399.asp#66 DeYoung, The Hubble Law * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v9/i1/hubble.asp Oard – [non-Toppler redshift of Arp] http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v14/i3/doppler.asp Hartnett - quasar & nearby galaxy with different redshifts http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0112quasar.asp Snelling, Galaxy-Quasar 'Connection' Defies Explanation [red shift] * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v11/i3/quasar.asp Humphreys, Our Galaxy Is the Centre of the Universe [red shift] * in HTML http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v16/i2/galaxy.asp & PDF http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/tj/docs/TJv16n2_CENTRE.pdf	redshift (tired light) — solutions? Red shift comes from light aging, not expansion of the universe. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE425.html Wright - tired light? http://www.astro.ucla.edu/~wright/tiredlit.htm
cosmic microwave background — problems? Lisle - Light-travel time: a problem for the big bang [re: CMB] http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i4/lighttravel.asp Hartnett, Recent CMB data supports creationist cosmologies* in HTML http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i1/microwave.asp and PDF http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2003/tj_151_cmb.PDF Hartnett, Recent CMB data supports creationist cosmologies* in HTML http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i1/microwave.asp and PDF http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2003/tj_151_cmb.PDF AIG - NASA & CMB & Big Bang http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2003/0214nasa_bigbang.asp	cosmic microwave background — solutions? Neyman - WMAP & inflation [re: Faulkner] http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/aig/daily/2006/20060329_inflation.htm Neyman - microwave radiation [re: Hartnett] http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/TJ/v18/TJ18_big_bang.htm
dark matter — problems? DeYoung, Dark Matter * http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/36/36_4/darkmatter.html Oard & Sarfati - No dark matter found in the Milky Way Galaxy http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i1/milky_way.asp Oard - [re: Hubble Constant, dark matter] http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v9/i1/astronomy.asp	dark matter — solutions? Neyman - No Dark Matter in Milky Way? [with 11 links about DM] http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/TJ/v13/TJ13_dark_matter_milky_way_galaxy.htm
galaxy shapes & distributions — problems? Humphreys, Spiral Galaxies (and Supernova Remnants) * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/docs/starlight_snr.asp McIntosh & Wieland – early galaxies with spirals http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i3/galaxies.asp Rigg – early galaxies are mature http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v27/i1/galaxy.asp Rigg – early galaxies in long string http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i3/galaxies.asp Lisle - Ripples of galaxies—another blow to the big bang http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2005/0216ripples.asp Hartnett, [re: galaxy distribution, Arp] * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v17/i2/heavens.asp Coppedge – globular clusters http://www.icr.org/article/3150/56/ Gitt - [number of stars] [just descriptive, no YE argument] http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i2/stars.asp	galaxy shapes & distributions — solutions? Galaxies should lose their spiral shape over millions of years. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE380.html Neyman - galaxy ripples [and YE methods] http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/TJ/v19/TJ19_big_bang_ripple.htm
not enough supernova remnants — problem? • Sarfati - not enough supernova remnants? AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i3/stars.asp also small section at end of Humphreys above (spiral galaxies & supernova remnants)	not enough supernova remnants — solution? • There are too few supernova remnants for an old universe. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE401.html • Neyman - not enough supernova remnants http://answersincreation.org/malone_supernova.htm 1. Davies (YE) http://www.creationdiscovery.org/cdp/articles/snrart.html 2. Sarfati (YE) http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/248.asp 3. Moore (OE, FAQ for TO) http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/supernova/ 4. Sarfati's reply? [surely he has done better than this, so we should look for it] http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/showthread.php?action=showthread&postid=36799#post36815 5. Moore's counter-reply http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/supernova/sarfati.html
star evolution — response Samec, [stars forming in nebulas?] * http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/438.asp AIG - Were stars created? [nebula theory] http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v18/i2/stars.asp Faulkner - [OE theories are OK for] Stellar Population Types * http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/30/30_1/StellarPop.html speedy star changes AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i4/focus.asp#speedy Sarfati, The Sun: Our Special Star [overview-description plus YE arguments] * http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i1/sun.asp J.Morris - How Long Will The Sun Last? http://www.icr.org/article/516/56/	star evolution — claim The stars and galaxies are unchanging. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH370.html Sirius was a red star 2,000 years ago and is a white dwarf now. [strawman? only by Hovind?] http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE351.html Helmholtz's contraction theory says the sun is young. [strawman?] http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE310_1.html the earth is relatively young, about 10,000 years old or less. [point #5 is about changes in stars; this is mis-paced in the "earth age" page, but maybe they want to let readers know that it's not just geology/etc that indicates an old earth and universe] http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CH/CH210.html
do black holes exist? — claim AIG - [black holes = thermo-decay] http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v12/i2/blackholes.asp	do black holes exist? — response Neyman - Black Holes (Hovind) http://answersincreation.org/blackholehovind.htm
a faint sun for early earth — problem? Sarfati - Our steady sun: a problem for billions of years [and describes "flavor change" of neutrinos] AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i3/sun.asp Faulkner, The Young Faint Sun Paradox and the Age of the Solar System * AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i2/faintsun.asp and AIG-YE-claims http://www.icr.org/article/429/	a faint sun for early earth — solution? The faint young sun paradox contradicts an old earth. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE311.html TO (Johansson) - faint young sun - http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-solar.html#_Toc430357878 Neyman - Our Steady Sun: A Problem for Millions of Years? http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/2004/article_v26_i3_steady_sun.htm
a shrinking sun — claim? is this a strawman that (since the early-1980s?) hasn't been used by any prominent YE advocates?	a shrinking sun — response A shrinking sun indicates a young sun. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE310.html [ strawman? (does AIG say "don't use this"?) ] Lindsay -- http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/quote_eddy.html Ross - http://reasons.org/resources/fff/2002issue09/index.shtml#suns_stable_fluctuations Van Till - The Legend of the Shrinking Sun: A Case Study Comparing Professional Science and "Creation Science" in Action http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1986/PSCF9-86VanTill.html TO (Johansson) - sun's energy not from fusion? http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-solar.html#_Toc430357875
not enough solar neutrinos — problem?? AIG - says this argument [*] "definitely should not be used." [and they say this in Snelling's old paper below, in a editor's note] {* the bad argument claims that "missing solar neutrinos prove that the sun shines by gravitational collapse [as in creationist claims, from the 1980s, about a "shrinking sun" in the topic above, thus showing that these two topics are related], thereby proving a young sun' } http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp#neutrino Snelling (1997) - Solar Neutrinos: the critical shortfall still elusive AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v11/i3/neutrinos.asp	2/3 of the neutrinos cannot be counted — YE (at least AIG) and OE both say "this is the solution" The lack of solar neutrinos indicates that the stellar model is wrong. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE301.html Lindsay - neutrinos -- http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/solar_neutrinos.html Ross - neutrinos -- http://reasons.org/resources/fff/2002issue09/index.shtml#neutrinos TO-faq (Johansson) - The Solar FAQ: Solar Neutrinos and Other Solar Oddities - http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-solar.html Neyman - Missing Solar Neutrinos [too humble, not up-to-date?] http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/cm/2006/creation_moments_06302006.htm
NASA and the "long day" of Joshua — not a claim AIG - says this argument "definitely should not be used" so everyone (YE and OE) agrees that all Christians should not use this false "urban legend" argument. http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp#joshua [we should find a page describing the history of this urban legend - did it begin as a hoax by non-Christians?]	NASA & the "long day" of Joshua — not a claim NASA scientists found a day missing. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE010.html Newman - Joshua's Long Day and the NASA Computers: Is the Story True? http://www.reasons.org/resources/apologetics/joshualongday.shtml?main
origin of Solar System — problem? Spencer, Our Solar System and Its Origin * [overview + YE challenges] http://www.biblicalcreation.org.uk/scientific_issues/SpencerSolarSystem.pdf Parsons & Mackay - [history of ideas] Pièrre Simon Laplace: The nebular hypothesis http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v3/i3/ideas.asp	origin of solar system — solution? The sun has most of the mass but little angular momentum of the solar system. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE302.html Retrograde motion of planets disproves the big bang. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE260_1.html Neyman - Watery Origin of Solar System - http://answersincreation.org/rebuttal/magazines/Creation/2006/article_v29_i1_solar.htm
extrasolar planets — (is this age-relevant?) Bernitt, Extrasolar planets suggest our solar system is unique [designed for us] and young * AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/TJ/v17/i1/solar_system.asp DeYoung, The Search for New Planets [and ET-life] * http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=444 DeYoung, New Stars, New Planets? * http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=403 Spencer, The Existence and Origin of Extrasolar Planets * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i1/extrasolar.asp	which of these YE pages are age-relevant ? (some are mainly about "anthropic principle" fine-tuning design)
planets of solar system — problems? Spencer - overview of planet-discoveries --> challenges to OE theories AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v19/i3/solar.asp Spencer - [similar but more detail] * Part 1 http://creationanswers.net/astron/REVSS1.HTM & Part 2 http://creationanswers.net/astron/REVSS2.HTM Snelling, Saturn's Rings—Short-Lived and Young * AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v11/i1/saturn.asp Harris - How old are Saturn’s rings? AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v12/i4/saturn.asp Spencer, The Ringed Giants: Jupiter and Saturn * http://www.biblicalcreation.org.uk/scientific_issues/SpencerRingedGiants.pdf AIG - [Jupiter] http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v22/i2/focus.asp Sarfati - [Venus] AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v23/i3/venus.asp Psarris - [Mercury] -- AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i4/mercury.asp Psarris - [Neptune] http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i1/neptune.asp Psarris - [Uranus] http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v24/i3/uranus.asp Henry - [Uranus energy balance] http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i3/uranus_energy.asp Coppedge - [Enceladus, Saturn moon] AIG-YE-claims http://www.icr.org/article/3112/ Coppedge - [Titan, Saturn moon] AIG-YE-claims http://www.icr.org/article/2837/	planets of solar system — solutions? these should be checked by YECs, to eliminate strawmen that aren't claimed by prominent YECs Saturn's rings are unstable. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE240.html The Rings Around Saturn Must be Young - http://godandscience.org/youngearth/rings.html Venus's high temperature and atmosphere should have eroded its surface features. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE210.html Io's great volcanic activity indicates a young age. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE230.html Jupiter and Saturn are cooling too rapidly to be old. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE231.html Three planets and several moons revolve backwards. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE260.html We need OE responses to these YE claims.
comets don't last long enough — problem? Sarfati - [overview of comets, Oort Cloud, Kuiper Belt] http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v25/i3/comets.asp Faulkner - [similar to Sarfati's but longer] * AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v11/i3/comets.asp Lisle - [Kuiper Belt] * AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v16/i2/comets.asp Faulkner - [Oort Comet Cloud] * AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i2/oort.asp Wieland - [Halley’s Comet] AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v8/i2/comet.asp	comets don't last long enough — solution? Comets would not have lasted in an old universe. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE261.html Oort cloud and Kuiper belt are ad hoc fantasies of astronomers. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE261_1.html Neyman - Comet Tall Tale http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/aig/daily/2006/20060506_comet.htm Neyman - Fragile Comets http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/cmi/article/2006/20060927_cmi_fragile_comet.htm
astronomical cycles in geology — response this is OE claim, so we should find YE response; also, probably this should be moved to the geology age-page	astronomical cycles in geology — claim Astronomical Cycles [in geology] -- http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/astro_cycles.html
magnetic field of planets — problem? Humphreys - [YE theory for planetary magnetism] http://www.creationresearch.org/crsq/articles/21/21_3/21_3.html Humphreys - [magnetic fields of Uranus & Neptune] http://www.icr.org/article/329/	magnetic field of planets — solution? these are YE claims, so we should find OE responses
space dust — problem?? apparently OEs are responding to YE claims, but is this a strawman that is not being claimed by prominent YE advocates? or by non-prominent YEs?	space dust — solution? Solar wind should have cleared the inner solar system of microparticles. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE280.html The Poynting-Robertson effect would remove space dust in an old solar system. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE281.html
water on Mars — (is this age-relevant?) AIG (2004) [NASA & origin of life] http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2004/0304water.asp Bates - [re: Mars geology, life origin,...] http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v27/i3/water.asp Rigg - [re: life origin, meaning,...] http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v26/i1/mission.asp Snelling - [water activity & geology, claimed relevance is in first & last paragraphs] http://www.icr.org/article/3151/106/ Humphreys (1997) - [earth flood affects solar system] http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/203.asp Ham - Was Noah a Martian? [commentary about attitudes, by scientists and others, toward YE views, but not much relevance for age-science] http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs2001/0327news.asp	this seems more relevant for questions about the origin of life, so maybe move it from here to there, and for age we should just say "so what" ?
slowing of earth's rotation rate — problem? J.Morris - [rotation faster due to flood?] [wouldn't tectonics & mountain-uplift cause slowdown? as with ice skaters] http://www.icr.org/article/2591/194/	slowing of earth's rotation rate — solution? Earth's rotation is slowing, indicating a young earth. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE011.html Deem - The Slowing of the Earth's Rotation Rate Means the Earth Must be Young -- http://godandscience.org/youngearth/rotation.html The frequency of leap seconds indicates a young earth. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE011_1.html
recession of moon — problem? • DeYoung, Is the Moon Really Old? * AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v14/i4/moon.asp Bowden - reply to TO-faq by Thompson http://www.trueorigin.org/moonmb.asp	recession of moon • The moon is receding at a rate too fast for an old universe. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE110.html moon recession -- http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/moondrift.html TO-faq - The Recession of the Moon and the Age of the Earth-Moon System - http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/moonrec.html
moon (overview & origin) — problem? Sarfati - [overview & challenges for OE] * AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/creation/v20/i4/moon.asp Oard - [four OE moon-origin theories: giant impact,...] * http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/tj/docs/v14n1moon.asp	moon (overview & origin) — solution? need OE responses for this YE claim
meteorite dust (on earth & moon) — problem?? AIG - says this argument "definitely should not be used," as you can see in the two pages below, and in their main page about "arguments we think creationists should NOT use." http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/faq/dont_use.asp#moon_dust AIG - moon-dust argument no longer useful AIG-YE-claims http://answersingenesis.org/creation/v15/i4/moodndust.asp Snelling & Rush - [long] Moon Dust and Age of the Solar System * AIG-YE-claims http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v7/i1/moondust.asp The two pages below are probably the same as those above: Snelling & Rush - [YE pleas to stop using the moon dust argument] - brief and detailed pages, http://www.answersingenesis.org/docs/1372.asp http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/magazines/tj/moondust(v7n1)/moondust.asp	meteorite dust (on earth & moon) — solution An old earth would be covered by 182 feet of meteoric dust. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE020.html There is not enough moon dust for an old universe. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE101.html TO-faq (Thompson) - earth dust [acknowledges argument's rejection by some YECs] http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/moon-dust.html Phillips - Meteoritic Influx and the Age of the Earth http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1976/JASA3-76Phillips.html Deem - dust on earth & moon http://godandscience.org/youngearth/dust.html Lindsay - moon dust http://www.don-lindsay-archive.org/creation/moondust.html EH - dust (earth & moon) http://www.geocities.com/earthhistory/idp.htm [should this be used, and if yes, where?] McCullough - Meteorites and the Maker's Mortar [to bring materials] for Earth and Ocean http://ibri.org/DVD-1/RRs/RR047/47meteor.htm
moon craters — solution? Faulkner - [cratering theory] * http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i1/crater.asp Fryman - [summary of Faulkner talk] * http://www.trueorigin.org/dfonmoon.asp Coppedge - [crater-counting methods] http://www.icr.org/article/3139/	moon craters — problem? I found these with google, so if you know anything better we'll use it: http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/lect/moon/moon_surface.html http://www.astronomynotes.com/solarsys/s13.htm Henke - Recent Impacts on the Moon? [error? "1/1000 per 1000 years" for ONE moon isn’t same as 1/1000 for each of our BILLIONS of people] http://answersincreation.org/moon_recent_impact.htm
moon (miscellaneous) do YEs make these claims about quakes, flows, emissions, and volcanos? J.Morris - [re: water on moon] http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=1161	moon (miscellaneous) Lunar moonquakes, lava flows, and gas emissions indicates the moon's youth. http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CE/CE130.html Henke - recent volcanos on moon http://answersincreation.org/moon_volcanism.htm Neyman - water on moon? (this seems like a "comment about the news" by Morris, so probably it will be cut) http://www.answersincreation.org/rebuttal/icr/drjohn/drjohn_97.htm
The resources at the right are among those that could be used in a links-page for Design of the Universe (main topic) and (minor topic) Origin of the Universe: http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/universe2.htm#i Some also might be used in Age of the Earth & Universe: Theology, http://www.asa3.org/ASA/education/origins/agetheology2.htm#i	Big Bang and the Bible — theistic implications? Ross - Big Bang: The Bible Taught It First! By Hugh Ross and John Rea http://www.reasons.org/resources/fff/2000issue03/index.shtml#big_bang_the_bible_taught_it_first pscf - Goetz - Natural History in Seventy Words - http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2005/PSCF6-05Goetz.pdf pscf - Johnson - 'In the Beginning...' I Think There Was a Big Bang! - http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1994/PSCF3-94Johnson.html Sluder - God, Genesis and the big bang: The Origin of the Universe http://www.kiva.net/~kls/page4.html pscf - Philippidis - Cosmic Controversy: The Big Bang and Genesis 1 - http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1995/PSCF9-95Philippidis.html Schaeffer - Stephen Hawking, the Big Bang, and God http://www.leaderu.com/offices/schaefer/docs/bigbang.html pscf - Bergman - Arno A. Penzias: Astrophysicist, Nobel Laureate - http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/1994/PSCF9-94Bergman.html Bontrager - The History of the Universe in a Nutshell: Reflections on 2 Peter 3 [but this is about much more than the Big Bang] http://www.asa3.org/ASA/PSCF/2005/PSCF12-05Bontrager.pdf